. >> bret: paul ryan said they need to be careful and remember what you are saying here. you had other members like congresswoman kathy mcmorris rogers in leadership saying you do need to shut down the government and make a stand. >> if the lessons of the 1990s when the republicans took control of the house tell you anything you shouldn't talk about how you are okay with shutting down the government. i said this before. people tell pollsters they want the government cut down, but they don't want the government shut down. republicans lost ground when they have done that and end up not coming out with much. my sense is they have to pick which of the next three points of pressure is the best to use to track spending cuts. they need to stake out a position to sound reasonable and stick to that. all of them need to be saying the saying the same thing or close to the same thing. >> bret: may not be the debt ceiling. >> it could be the sequester with the forced spending cuts in law to take effect. republicans live with the defense cut it's not that -- they can live with the othe